[Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

* Present:
        + Thorsten, Stephan, Mitch, Eike, Andras, David,
          Bjoern, Kendy, Caolan, Michael S, Petr, Rainer,
          Lionel, Tor, Markus

* Completed Action Items:
        + add merged msi details to 3.5 release page (Andras)
        + add unexpected mingw regressions to MingW 'most-annoying' (Rainer)
        + send ssh keys for Linux build machine access to Fridrich (Caolan)
        + concrete debug proposal for the public list (Stephan)
        + poke at and 'adopt' some easy hacks:
          http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Easy_Hacks_by_required_Skill (All)
        + tinderbox owners should change names & Thorsten to prune server (All)
                + looks lots prettier ~done

* Pending Action Items
        + [in progress] default to TM safe (non-TDF) branding (Thorsten)
        + [in progress] enable on-line updates for QA in cross-compiled dailies (Kendy)
        + [in progress] extract 64bit build hardware from firewall (Kendy / Admins)
        + come up with a list of QA heros for next meeting (Rainer)
        + ask Christian wrt. Mac / PPC (Fridrich)
        + python/wizards merge for 3.5 & strip old versions (Bjoern)

* Action Items

* Release Engineering update (Petr)
        + 3.5.0-beta0
                - coming soon, kicking the tires of the build process /
                  stabilising
                + commit deadline is Monday Nov 28 (next Monday)
                + feature freeze is 1 week later
        + Please check most annoying 3.5 bugs:
                + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37361
                + Windows error / during installation
                + extension registration / terminal launch issues

* Java 7 (Stephan)
        + requests / concern about it
                + already enabled for Linux
                + we should enable for Windows
                + duplicate the entry from XML file from Linux -> Windows
                  & sanity check.
        + rumoured instability with Java 7
                + is it generally fixed / still broken ?
AA:     + enable Java 7 for Windows, post qa list to give it a try (Stephan)

* Unit tests issue (Markus [Moggi])
        + calc unit tests take around 30 seconds now
                + move some of them to tinderboxes / defer building
        + we have tons of filter tests - ~20 files to import & calc etc.
        + make subsequentcheck - the solution (Stephan)
                + the JUnit UNO API tests are a pain (Michael)
        + can we use 'make build' instead ?
                + concerned to run some basic tests every time
        + have lots of tests, that are nice, but don't need to
          be executed every time.
        + no need for more different test rules (Bjoern)
        + add them to subsequentcheck
        + if we run just cppunittests in subsequenttests (Bjoern)
                + fast & easier to debug
                + ie. disable Java, and avoid undebuggable uno tests
        + tests should be executed with tinderboxes, useful (Markus)
                + have found problems, l10n issues etc.
        + subsequentcheck
                + number of ways to improve it (Caolan)
        + Bjoern has a nice write-up of how to debug it here:
                + http://sweetshark.livejournal.com/2271.html
        + can't we just run 'make build' and then 'make'
                + want to extend the tests yet further ...
AA:     + move some slow tests over to 'make subsequentcheck' (Markus)
                + should be a ~trivial makefile rename / tweak
                + make subsequentcheck afterwards

* Officially kill bit-rotted pch work (Norbert in absentia)
        + eager to kill them, they're unmaintainable, bit-rots
          with each commit (Kendy)
        + tried to use them once 6 momths ago, failed miserably (Tor)
AA:     + remove them, or file easy hack for the same (Norbert)

* NlpSolver (Michael)
        + un-maintained, Sun extension, no live up-stream
        + flatten it into git as a module instead

* Cross-compiling MSIs building (Mitch)
        + slow but steady, continuing build.pl etc. re-factor

* QA Update (Rainer)
        + had to leave early.

* bug priority handling (Lionel)
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39950
        + vs. wrong icon issue - severity
AA:     + help out diving deeper into it next week (Caolan)
                + is it a missing copy-constructor ?

* Cor's bug reporting context ?
        + table of who found what 3.5 bugs, how good they are ?
                + T-shirt prizes ?
        + resources low for triage, can we easily
          assess quality of bug-reports for a fair metric ?
                + discuss with Rainer next time.

* 3.5 most annoying bugs ...
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=37361&hide_resolved=1

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