[Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

* Present:
        + Norbert, Eike, David, Stephan, Michael, Bjoern, Andras,
          Petr, Caolan, Thorsten, Cedric, Fridrich, Tor, Christian

* Completed Action Items
        + rotate top #10 easy-hacks on front-page (Bjoern)
        + poke UI / Translation issue bug#42388 (Andras)
                + a normal l10n bug...
        + think about Linux build / up-load work (Caolan)
                + RedHat to handle it
AA:             + send ssh keys for access to Fridrich (Caolan)
        + update wiki to mark 3.3.5 as skipped (Petr)
        + proposal for closer in 3.4.5 release (Petr)
        + connect to Fridrich's machine & fix Win32 build failure (Michael, Bjoern)
                + finally it builds !

* Pending Action Items
        + default to TM safe (non-TDF) branding (Thorsten)
        + enable on-line updates for QA in cross-compiled dailies [in progress] (Kendy)
        + come up with a list of QA heros for next meeting [in progress] (Rainer)
        + ask wrt. hacking php to improve easy-hacks presentation (Bjoern)
        + extract 64bit build hardware from firewall (Kendy)
        + ask Christian wrt. Mac / PPC (Fridrich)
        + add unexpected mingw regressions to MingW 'most-annoying' (Rainer)

* Meeting time:
        + please update the doodle poll:
          http://www.doodle.com/d7cxxvfhergqhhqg

* Release Engineering update (Petr)
        + Proposal for a one-off 3.4.5 release
                + due-to extended 3.5 dev cycle
                + http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/3.5#3.5.0_release
                + have a Beta0 - 1 week earlier than feature-freeze (just for Cor ;-)
                + skip Beta 2 - for 3.4.5 RC1
                + skip Beta 4 - for 3.4.5 RC2/release
                + does it affect a 3.5.6 release.
        + Dec 5th feature freeze details (Petr/Michael)
                + branch immediately on feature-freeze (Petr, Caolan)
                        + new onegit makes this much easier
                        + should we wait for green tinderboxen ? -
                          prolly not, stabilise on branches
                + double code review not required until nearer RC1
                        => bug fix committer should cherry-pick themselves
                + tripple cross-company code review for features until nearer RC1
                        + exceptions: artwork, unit-tests until RC1
                + tinderboxes: will attack the libreoffice-3-5 branch primarily

* QA update (Rainer)
        + we missed Rainer

* FOSDEM / conference pieces
        + please submit your LibreOffice dev-room talks to:
          http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Events/Fosdem2012
        + block out your 4-5 Feb

* debug-levels / modes clarity (Bjoern/Stephan)
        + writer debugging, DBG_UTIL symbols all gone to OSL_DEBUG_LEVEL > 2
                + other things depend on this, so can't build in a product version (?)
        + missing common understanding of how to use:
                + NDEBUG, DBG_UTIL, OSL_DEBUG_LEVELs etc.
                + when are they binary compatible / incompatible etc.
        + Stephan's master plan
                + assertions should abort (one day)
                + all these issues are related.
                + prefer to move it to the mailing list
                + gather use-cases there ...
        + iterative way to get there required (Thorsten)
        + need to document what is there now (Bjoern)
AA:     + produce a fleshed out concrete proposal for the public list (Stephan)
        + assertion failures ?
                + should they be enabled in product build ?
                + if ability to recover - why assert ?
                + tracing - printing progress as we go along
                + need to capture semantics of tracing, warning, errors etc.
                + assert == logically impossible, or shouldn't happen ...
        + bin compat should be orthogonal to asserts/tracing (Norbert)
        + corrupt input currently being flagged by 'asserts'
        + problem - old asserts, did not abort => we got lots of them.
        + DBG_UTIL doesn't work on windows - runtime problems (Tor)
AA:     + add easy hack to kill PRODUCT in favour of DBG_UTIL (Bjoern)
        + ideally, done as a patch
                + needs windows experimentation etc.
                + where does 'assert' output on windows go ?
        + what about the 'debugwindow' (ctrl-alt-shift-d)
                + should we dump it ... yes.

* Make binfilter depend on tail_build
        + not a big issue, will happen as/when needed or someone wants that.
        + other modules prevent that currently; cf. 'extensions'
AA:     + reply to Peter's RFC (Norbert)

* UNO API tagging - compile time flags in .hdl ?
        + difficulty between uses & impls.
        + source code, or object level ?
        + unclear how we can do better guesses ...
                + in-house extensions etc.
                + theoretically impossible to derive all uses
                  via. reflection etc.

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