[Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

Present:
        + Norbert, Thorsten, Michael, Stephan, Andras,
          David, Rainer, Mitch, Bjoern, Caolan

+ Completed Action Items
        + spec. for beefier gerrit machine -> sysadmin team (Bjoern)

+ Pending Action Items
        + default to TM safe (non-TDF) branding (Thorsten)
        + enable on-line updates for QA for dailies ... (Kendy)
        + publicise / aggregate our list of ODF proposals / extensions (Thorsten)
        + update openSymbol with version gap & checks (Julien Nabet cf. Caolan)

* Agenda items
        + pending action items
        + cppunittest code sharing - new TestFixture in vcl ? (Michael)
                + done in 'test' & split to 'unotest'
        + virus & trojan warnings in source code [CVE docs] (Caolan)
AA:             + plan is to add a magic XOR mangling for unit tests
                  now the code is shared, to hide the issue (Caolan)
        + enabling -Werror automatically for some people (Michael)
                + pretty difficult in gcc world to turn on -Werror
                  sensibly, distros back-porting patches are an issue,
                  triplet version number is not reliable / helpful (Caolan)
                + have it enabled on build-bots if a known-good compiler (Caolan)
                + if can build with on, then should build with it on (Bjoern)
                + stick with status quo, -Werror is a good thing if
                  it works, but users need to fix others' warnings
        + per shlib forward definition headers (Michael)
                + using include what you need is the best first step.
        + Lanedo / Win32 project (Mitch)
                + plan is to start after the conference
                + cross-compiled msi building
                + C++ ABI issues MS VC++ vs. gcc
                        + plan to switch this for production code at
                          flag-day for 4.0
AA:                     + add details to the release 4 wiki page (Kendy)
                + current status (Kendy)
                        + mingw tinderbox cross-compiler, working & mailing people
                        + binaries run under wine -> 50% of status bar ...
                        + debugging with VStudio debugger: needs a VS extension
                          that de-mangles dwarf
                        + winedbg support: can linkoo the build, re-compile and
                          run directly as on Linux
                        + from clean build -> instsetoo_native: 12 minutes
                          for a Windows build (on big Linux H/W)
        + ABI / API break (Norbert)
                + copy Mozilla ? un-froze the whole API & fixed up incrementally (Caolan)
                + talk at the conference about it (Michael)
                + concern that we capture all ABI breakage to do for 4.0
AA:             + please do that incrementally in the wiki: (Everyone)
                  http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/LibreOffice4
        + no release bits (Petr on vacation)
        + QA update (Rainer)
                + Bugzilla Bug Submission Assistant
                        + beautiful scripting magic from Loic (with thanks)
                          http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/bug/
                        + Kendy already patched to re-order icons,
                          code in website/bug/
                + Solaris Unix Support
                        + porters / hackers belong on the developers list,
                          otherwise, 'discuss' is fine
                        + OpenIndiana guys have done some work here
        + Gerrit
                + seems to require raw access & control of the git server
                + concerns of merge / pushing ...

        + Fun updates
                + cudos to Tor / Fridrich / Kendy / Norbert / Bjoern etc.
                  for cross-build goodness (Thorsten)
                + Bjoern
                        + upgrading his hardware, will setup another PC tinderbox
                        + Pandabord looking fun - might get an ARM tinderbox with
                          a build-per-week or somesuch
                + Michael
                        + re-factoring vcl to remove X dependency from headless
                          mode, should allow cross-platform smoke-tests
                          during build

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