[Libreoffice] minutes of tech steering call ...

* Present:
        + Norbert, David, Rainer, Bjoern, Kendy, Kohei,
          Caolan, Petr, Cedric, Lubos, Michael, Mitch

+ Completed Action Items:
        + get SmartArt interop. feature into master (Thorsten)
        + easy hacks - completion / fixing (Bjoern)
                + looks pretty: eg.
                  http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Easy_Hacks_by_required_Skill
        + submit conference papers:
                + Cedric
                        + GSOC update - double-slot
                        + what's next in writer
        + enable Kendy's Windows tinderbox again (Kendy)
                + ~done, master builds there nicely again
                + gnumake fallout still causing fun
        + promulgate pencil down dates (Cedric)
        + fix bogus / obsolete download DNS record (Thorsten)
                + moved the source tarballs to a better place.

+ Pending Action Items:
        + mail bugzilla query wrt. regression to dev list (Michael)
        + in-progress: script that downloads the git sources for you (Norbert)
        + submit conference paper: onegit / tinderbox (Norbert)
        + enable on-line updates for QA for dailies ... (Kendy)
        + dig up the SFLC AL2/LGPLv3+ header (Michael)
        + New extensions website: publish / tdf blog (Thorsten)
        + non-TDF branding technical question(s) (Thorsten)

* Agenda items
        + pending action items

        + ccache fun (Lubos)
                + enabled by default, unless --enable-symbols ?
                + can we get the cache size and adapt to that ?
AA:             + decided: check for size of cache at configure default,
                  1Gb ok unless --enable-symbols, then 5Gb (Norbert)

        + gerrit update / demo (Bjoern / Norbert)
                + impressive piece of software
                + basically a web front-end to setup a git branch
                        + log-in / no account required: openID
                                + up-load ssh key to web interface
                        + after that everything is do-able from the command-line
                                + with e-mail notifications
                + workflow:
                        + each newbie push to the gerrit git branch is to a review queue
                        + buildbots can run vs. that branch
                        + submitters can push to proposal queue of gerrit.
                        + as easy as ML if not easier
                + lots of things for us, are possible ...
                + patch submit flow - web/up-load to gerrit
                        + cherry-pick by reviewer / close web interface.
                + Jenkins integration possible
                        + builds can be triggered via git (hence gerrit) commits
AA:             + get Bjoern setup with a vhost for gerrit (Thorsten / Christian)
AA:             + setup a gerrit test repo (Bjoern)
                        + needs a nice MPL/LGPLv3+ 'ack' as we create an account.

        + git commit hook over-complexity (Norbert)
                + removed doxygen check for now (over-complicated)
                + only checking for whitespace currently.
                + .po file commit editing on the fly
AA:                     - dangerous /should only be in translations if at all (Timar)

        + bug fixes - most annoying for 3.4.x
                + bikesheding ... endless thread, wait for concreteness.

        + gutting openssl for NSS wherever it is found is ok ?
                + agreed !
                + ideal work - easiest starter to fix is OOXML import encryption
AA:             + poke Marc (Michael)

        + update template for (C) headers ... [Thorsten]
                - add conflict markers and good.

        + GSOC update (Cedric)
                + coding almost done (by end of week)
                + ensure all students have pushed their code to master & is
                  building
                + evaluation to be done from 22nd - 26th.
                + Aug 25th
                        + update your T-shirt size & address, or look silly !
                + Matus - nice gnumake / acceleration & misc. pieces
                + Xisco - python ported from java - going nicely, merging soon
                + Tibby - Visio stuff looking very sweet indeed
                + Miklos - nice RTF import filter in master, beautiful work
                        + will enable filter as default & bin old filter
                          when flyframes are done & copy+paste tested
                        + nightmares with importing into existing doc
                          with styles (the paste & file-insert cases)
AA:                     + check and enable new RTF import in master by default (Cedric)
                + Marco - lovely SVG export for impress, nearly better than flash
                + Timo - useful wikihelp to windows help conversion work
                + Anurag - lots of nasty issues with input bar, task unfortunately
                           much harder than anticipated
                + we hope to see these continue to be polished
AA:                     + and look forward to subsidising students' trips
                          to LibOCon Paris.

        + release engineering (Petr)
                + 3.3.5 timeline
                        + RC1 - deadline beginning of October
                        + the last ever (planned) bug-fix release of 3.3.x
                + 3.4.3 status
                        + up-loading rc1 / being pushed to mirrors
                        + pleasing reduction of most annoying bug count to 30
                        + hoping for fewer commits post rc1

        + QA pieces (Rainer)
                + can we close the mailmerge tracker ? (or de-most-annoying it)
AA:                     + yes: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34184 (Rainer)
                + bug voting bug (uh?)
                        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39739
                        + should we have the voting feature at all ?
                        + can be useful for new hackers wanting to find things (Kohei)
                        + general consensus against it
                        + seeing crash-reporter duplicates can help (Bjoern)
                        + potential setup for dissappointment wrt. unrealistic bugs (Norbert)
                        + unreliable metric, vote and metric gaming already seen.
AA:                     + close wontfix please (Rainer)
                + co-ordination with SUSE QA guy
                        + no full-time SUSE QA bug triage guy (from now)
                        + YiFan working on QA tooling etc.
                + wiki, statistics: pretty picture at:
                http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:RBd/Workbench#What_I_want_to_talk_about
                        + interesting graphs - trends - more graphs.
                        + OO.o bugzilla activity descending
                                + 60 bug changes per day one year ago,
                        + LibreOffice
                                + currently 50-100 bug changes per day
                                + higher activity than OO.o had
AA:             + up-load a graph of comparative bugzilla activity (Rainer)
                + helpful bugzilla links:
                        + http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport_Details
                        + as workarounds to existing situation
                + research ongoing into our own bugzilla
                        + currently not vast problems with sticking with it.

        + Other business
                + updating (non-default/official) extensions in 3.4.x branch ? (Petr)
                        + breaks feature freeze, extreme ambivalence
                        + no objections to updating, why are they there in
                          the 1st place (Caolan)
                        + extensions: can do odd things, chart bug only with
                          report builder enabled - concerning (Kohei)
                        + after rc1 - so not in favour for now (Kendy)
                        + perhaps it affects Rene (not here)
                        + resolved: allow it on libreoffice-3-4 branch (post
                          3.4.3) if people really, really are not using them (Bjoern)
                + 3.4.3 password protection problem (Norbert)
                        + 3.5.x uses stronger encryption, and files cannot be
                          opened in 3.4.3 with terribly unhelpful message
AA:                     + need to look into it for 3.4.next (Caolan)
                                + improve the error dialog at least

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