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* Present: Heiko, Jan-Marek, Kendy, Samuel, Tomaž

* GSoC is close again

    + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas
        + needs to be filed in until the next Tue
        + Heiko will add the ideas there (/done)
            /done Area Fill, Table Styles, AutText, Bibliography
    + we should file in the tasks that are completed from the design point of view
        + Table styles, Customization dialog, Sidebar, ...
        + design session stuff : table of contents dialog, symbol dialog, fill dialog, print dialog
          https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B6qJrVIa0SAlcFV0Q2lWMmdUcW8&usp=sharing
            + done
        + redesign template manager
          
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JRPNdeHQpgqiqJv8LW-RHOjtHN8EMX0qK98QBnr10Yg/edit?usp=sharing
          
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ri2jznhcQmCtk3cVygEhwN7pi8FkbIVV_OvRQce_n6Y/edit?usp=sharing

    + Jay: add a Styles usability improvements section + list the various things to implement to 
GSoC-next ideas
        + Ahmed, Jay: Brainstorm about some nice / more styles for Calc
          https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/boards/1/topics/493
          [longer term - maybe better to add to the GSoC Styles task?]
        + Jay: Impress also needs more default object styles (only 2 are available)

* Draw-related survey (Heiko)

    + published and continued (will close on Friday, 19 February)
      https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2016/02/07/what-do-you-expect-from-draw/
      http://user-weave.com/survey/b0edf831f89d4d23bb3d6b6ba3e574a9?12
    + Results  
      https://drive.google.com/open?id=0ByWdNpQKVjM8bF91TGJCUXlFUk0

    + many participants, over 1200 valid answers
    + first feelings: more people want improvements in the visio-like features, much less
      want publisher-like features
        + but many other interesting input too

    + Heiko will go deeper into the statistics
        + categorize the answers
        + extract the info...

* Sidebar max width (Jan-Marek)
 
    + The side bar currently has a maximum size limit
        + problem for wollmux exension (Jan-Marek)sw/sdi/swriter.sdi

    + in general, let's give freedom to the extension developers (Kendy)
        + we just need to make sure any random extension does not take over the entire LO :-) 
(Kendy)
AI:     + put together few screenshots to explain the needs a bit better (Jan-Marek)
        - http://snag.gy/e8550.jpg
        - http://snag.gy/Q6pvY.jpg
        - http://www.wollmux.net/wiki/WollMuxBar#Suchleiste

    + fan of the changes, just need to be careful - fixed size has some merit too (Stuart)
    + having a fixed/minimum value by default and allowing a sidebar extension dev to modify this 
value through api (Jay)
    + https://www.openoffice.org/api/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/awt/XDockableWindow.html

    + Sidebar Bug Reports (Stuart)
        The Sidebar Meta - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65138

        Sidebar "philosophy" where it needs to go - 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33223#c11

        a key feature -- multiple & detatchable decks, and support in profile state
        https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67770
        https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85905

    + basically now part of the UX team wants to give the flexibility, the other wants fixed size 
:-)
        + suggested a poll - to get more info what the users are expecting (Heiko)
        + actually cannot exactly make my mind either (Kendy)
            + have some casses that are annoying, but other than that, I'd be for freedom for 
extensions (Kendy)
        + concerned about moving input to the sidebar (Heiko)
        + let's try to collect useful use cases, and pros and cons for them (Kendy, Heiko)
        
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ts5GlnrOGWcn7_V9naqRF-Ag9EWzFpsF6GwxH_uzzRw/edit?usp=sharing

    + would it be actually a big problem when different sidebar panels have different width? (Kendy)
        + added that as a questionto the poll
        + constantly changing side when jumping from one tab to the next isnt good UX (Jay)

    + will share the poll on the ML, when the questions are agreed, publish about the next week 
(Heiko)

    + What about changing the sidebar tab programatically (add API)? (Jan-Marek)
        + no objection from me (Kendy)
            + if the extension does things the user do not like, they'll de-install ;-) (Kendy)

* Update Default font

    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97577

    + Would be useful to change the default font in all apps rather than just impress (Jay)
        + Droid Sans, Serif, Mono (used on Android, available in Google Docs, available in ubuntu 
12.04 & debian 6-backports)
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droid_fonts
        + Noto Sans, Serif, Cousine (droid derivative to fully cover all scripts in unicode, 
available in ubuntu 14.04 & debian 7)
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noto_fonts
        + Caladea, Carlito (bundled with LibO, metric compatible with MS Office default fonts, 
available in ubuntu 14.04 & debian 7-backports)

    + Discussion on the ML: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/New-default-fonts-td4175420.html

    + I think using the interoperable fonts makes most sense (Kendy)
        + there was a concern about Carlito on the ML
            + number 6 and 8 are higher
        + and Caladea
            + some Cyrilic and Greek letters are missing
        + maybe we should also double-check the metrics compatibility (Kendy)
        + but this is all fixable - TDF can run a tender for this (Kendy)

    + what exactly MSO does when it opens a document using eg. Carlito? (Samuel)
        + probably it's possible to specify fallback (Tomaž)
        + let's investigate...

* An alternative print range selection algorithm, 2. (Jan-Marek)

    + Patch has landed in master, needed additional fixup but works now
        - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89708
        - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97505

    + still needs evaluate how it works with duplex-printing (Jan-Marek)
        + and if it is fine, switch default to not printing blank pages

    + water-sign / indicator with 'automatic blank page' would be nice (Heiko)

* Spam at the blog

    + amount of spam dropped, good

* Budget for the 2016 - brainstorming

    + Improvements in the Carlito / Caladea / ... fonts
    + Some travels to UX-related event(s)?
        + which ones?
    + Some new templates - competition prizes, or even a tender
    + When the UX metrics solution (now tendered) is implemented, H/W to actually crunch the data

    + please if you have other ideas, send feedback to the mailing list
        + deadline: 2nd March, we still can discuss at the next meeting


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