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[libreoffice-design] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2014-12-17


* Present: Heiko, Jay, Kendy Steve, Stuart

* Completed Action Items:

+ Jay: Create a blog post to collect templates that we could
pre-install.
[ collected the categories, wrote up 2 paragraph for initial
announcement, awaiting feedback now ]
+ Thursday - feedback + send to the marketing ML
+ Monday / Tuesday - go live with the announcement
+ please feel free to update (Jay)
+ pending on the Marketing now - too many announcements ATM

* Pending Action Items:

+ Jay: Ask what is the plan with the templates on the new Extensions
site
+ Jay: Send a mail to documentation@global.libreoffice.org with the
wiki page that collects changes in menus
+ Kendy: Collecting of the user information should be incremental,
somewhere in the user's profile
+ Ahmed: Push the new Sifr icons he's done recently
+ Kendy: Talk to Milos wrt. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48622
+ Alex: Gnome 2.20-style 'a' icons & Gnome 3-style text line icons
+ Kendy: try to do a link to the Templates site for 4.4 - not too
probable
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85420
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=108377
+ Samuel: Formulas and Navigator should open in the sidebar, not as
a special window
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85897

* UI changes integrated the last week:

+ Made (all) the dialogs that contain edit boxes resizable (Kendy)
+ Context menu crop activates interactive crop rather than crop
dialog (Joel)
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86627
+ Enable start from current slide and add its tango icons (Jay)
+ Swapping Yes/No order on Windows (Adolfo)
+ Icon / context menu entry for Format -> Image (Jay)

* Last week's discussions that need a resolution:

+ Reassigning F11 to full screen (Jay)
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83467
+ wanted to have this resolved - old report (Jay)
+ many people seem to be against that (Kendy)
+ let's not change it (Stuart)
+ it's a bit different to full-screen in Firefox anyway (Stuart)
+ consensus: close as WONTFIX

+ Start center not using last window size (Qubit)
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=75644
+ would need to check the code (Kendy)
+ I recall there is some forcing of size (at least) but not
100% sure (Kendy)
+ the user expected that it would open according to the last
edit of that document (Stuart)
+ unclear if the proposed change brings enough better usability (Kendy)
+ but definitely it's quite a lot of work (Kendy)
+ suggest to keep as it is (Kendy)
+ room for improvement (Stuart)
+ but would be invasive (Stuart)
+ cannot have the configuration in the file format (Stuart)
+ maybe only in the recent documents (Kendy)
+ conclusion: WONTFIX probably, patches to improve situation
won't be rejected though :-)

+ INDEX function returns #VALUE error when optional arguments are
omitted (Qubit)
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71325
+ Calc guys taking over - more a technical problem (Jay)

+ Instant tooltips in start center (Jay)
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=73327
+ should be the system setting (Heiko)
+ there is a setting that also hides the tooltip (for
accessibility) (Stuart)
+ wow - a stupid option - should be system's setting (Heiko)
+ we should remove that, and use whatever is in the system (Heiko)
+ but the start center should be visually appealing (Steve)
+ actually it would be possible to shorten the paths in some
clever way (Kendy)
+ evaluate if the documents have different names, etc. (Kendy)
+ not many places where you can get the entire URL (Stuart)
+ so it is useful to have the URL there (Stuart)
+ agreed (Jay)
+ conclusion: Let's keep it as it is, because:
+ not good to mess with the system settings / do something
different than what are the system's settings
+ URL's are useful

+ Was the colored 'X' button in start center replaced with grayscale
ones on purpose (Jay)
In 4.4 and master, the start center 'X' button seems suitable for
sifr
+ probably Adolfo changed that? (Stuart)
+ the red cross was there because I did not have a better
icon :-) (Kendy)
+ actually red means "danger! stop!" (Jay)
+ ah right, Firefox uses red too (Kendy)
AI + conclusion: Sync with Adolfo if he's OK with using red (but
the same style) (Jay)

+ Should addition of border around an image have padding or not (Jay, Joel)
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87360
+ the problem with this setting is that it makes the _image_
smaller not that the border is _added_ to the (unscaled)
image (Kendy)
+ consequently every time the border is > 0, then the image
looks incorrect (Kendy)
+ conclusion: agree to change it to 0 as Jay suggests
+ because that way it does not distort the picture
AI: + create Easy Hack (Kendy)

+ New windows stay in background, don't get focus (Heiko)
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=75471
+ sounds as a bug :-) (Kendy)
+ if we get more duplicates, please MAB it

* QA <-> Design communication in bugzilla

+ Jay discussed with the QA guys now
+ they will suggest some guidelines (Jay)
+ basically will not touch anything ux-advise
+ fine with that for bugs reported by users (Stuart)
+ the question is what do _we_ do with all the ux-advise bugs? (Stuart)
+ what's the best? - bugzilla is great for backup (Stuart)
+ but for markups etc. it is not ideal (Stuart)
+ filing bugs himself when he wants to work on that (Jay)
+ some things are bugs without a question (Stuart)
+ as ux-advise / design, we should take some ownership there (Stuart)
+ concerned about overloading the Design team :-) (Kendy)
+ people can say anything - but question is if it is a good idea (Jay)
+ and the QA people don't know (Stuart)
+ QA should determine if it is a bug or a feature request (Stuart)
+ Cor + Stuart in both QA and Design actually (Stuart)
+ how many per week? (Kendy)
+ ~10 a week (Stuart)
+ that sounds bearable (Kendy)
+ not necessary to create a bug for every change (Kendy)
+ just go ahead & do that :-) (Kendy)
+ and report about that here in the meeting - if controversial,
we can follow-up with the discussion

+ Bugzilla workflow proposal after the QA team meeting:
1) issues opened as an enhancement of UX or in UI/Design elements
should always be handled in Bugzilla UX-advise component.
2) opened as UNCONFIRMED by anyone, or directly NEW by Design/UX
team participants (including any Devs and QA folks)
3) Design/UX team participants, or any QA review should go ahead
and adjust the component to UX-advise and NEW
4) Design/UX team should review proposal for completeness, ask OP
for needed details, and add to weekly agenda
5) while active, pending Design/UX consideration retain NEW, or
NEEDINFO
6) if/when "voted" down from UX or Design perspective, close as
WONTFIX
7) if/when approved--retain as NEW, but what then?

Q: should we retain issues in BZ UX-advise, or change BZ component
to UI as now happens, or change to the affected LO component?
Q: UI vs. specific component, any risk of losing track of
Design/UX recommendations?
Q: should we track the BZ issues on the Wiki anyway?
Q: for Devs seeking quidance, how to communicate design or UI
decisions?
Q: any need to convey prioritization of ehancement or UI change,
or impact on UX?

* Impress/Draw share code problem with sidebar (Jay)

+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87405
+ minor, actually (Jay)
+ will have a look when fixing something in sidebars, but will
not look specifically then (Kendy)



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