Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: LibreOffice official color names

Hi Bernhard,

some quick notes on that as well :-)

Am Samstag, den 05.03.2011, 00:28 +0100 schrieb Bernhard Dippold:
> Christoph Noack schrieb:
> > Am Mittwoch, den 02.03.2011, 23:00 +0100 schrieb Bernhard Dippold:
[...]
> > > But I'd prefer "LibreGreen 1" over "Libre Green 1", because without
> > > the space "LibreGreen" is a name, while in "Libre Green" libre can
> > > be understood as descriptive adjective.
> >
> > True, but removing the whitespace makes it less readable ...
>
> I don't think this is an important issue, as it should be a descriptive 
> name rather than a color accompanied by a leading adjective and a 
> following number.

> But I'm not an UX-expert, so I have to believe you that people will not 
> be able to understand LibreGreen as easy as Libre Green.

> From the UX perspective, it would be most helpful to remove "Libre" and
to provide some information in the UI of the product what kind of color
scheme (here: LibreOffice Branding Colors) are used.


> > http://luxate.blogspot.com/2010/10/united-colors-of-liberty.html
>
> Looking at these colors, I find out, that I like the previous color 
> names better than the present ones:
>
> Orange is not really orange - Marron has been more exact.
>
> Yellow is not yellow at all - Ocher might be the right description.

Personally, I think the more basic ones simpler to handle and to
translate ... but this may only be me.

> > > To be consistent, we should use "LibreGreen Accent" instead of
> > > "Green Accent" - OpenGrok shows the latter.
> >
> > OpenGrok is okay, since I asked for that name when it got integrated
> > ;-)
>
> But the other colors seems to have been integrated with "Libre" - did 
> you do this on purpose?

No, then it's an issue. It seems that we have to rework this palette ...
thanks for making me aware of that. Since I mostly work with Inkscape at
the moment, I didn't knew that.

> The Inkscape palette I use doesn't contain any "Libre", so they are 
> different.

This is on purpose, since Inkscape provides quicker access to check what
kind of palette the user works with. In LibreOffice (see also the others
mails targeting the work with colors) it is much more problematic.

> But in future all the palettes (LibO, Inkscape, GIMP) will use the same 
> naming... :-)

And the more we talk about that, the more I come to the conclusion that
a fairly simple palette (including the names) might be more appropriate.
It seems that the comments (e.g. "LibreOffice Main Color") are more
important than the "Libre".

So, final proposal: For all of the palettes, the naming scheme will
be...
        $BASICCOLOR $TYPE ($COMMENT)
        
        e.g. "Green 1 (LibreOffice Main Color)"
        e.g. "Orange 5"
        e.g. "Purple Accent"

This can be quickly changed in the "spreadsheet" that served for the
color palette creation:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/7/70/2010-11-08_LibreOffice_Initial-Branding-Colors.zip

And to not forget this - we have to add some comment in the .soc palette
creation there. That time, I didn't knew how to do this ...

And, the grey/gray values are missing at the moment.

[...]

> I've been wondering, if we should add plain colors (red, green, blue, 
> yellow, orange, violet) to the LibO palette too, because they might be 
> used for marking etc. We don't have red at all...
>
> But on the other hand they don't fit with the LibreOffice colors, so I'd 
> avoid such a mixture.
>
> What do you think?

If we call it "branding palette", then I second the latter opinion to
keep it "clean". At lest, we have a fabulous "orange accent" for
highlighting things ;-)

> > I'll add the source code at the end of the mail
> > - for easier reference.
> > [...]
>
> I don't know if a break is allowed in an .soc file, if so, I'd add one 
> behind the first entry: This would lead to better readability, as every 
> definition is shown in it's own line.

No, I'm not aware about such possibility. The color palettes are just a
list of items - without any further structure. That makes it so hard to
define more helpful ones ... so here we need some improvements in
LibreOffice first.

[...]
> While the default UI language is "English (USA)" the standard color 
> palette as well as your proposal use the British English spelling "Gray" 
> instead of "Grey".

Oh, good point!

Finally, it seems that there are some simpler things (like renaming the
gray shadings), removing the Libre in front of the colors, ... that
should be sufficient for answering Andras questions and to improve the
color palette in LibreOffice. The more time consuming things (e.g.
defining the gray values) may be done later - if we miss some help at
the moment. Okay?

Cheers,
Christoph


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