Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Writer: Problem with Voiceover auf macOS Ventura

Hi Frank,

On 2023-10-23 10:59, Frank Becker wrote:
> When I go through a text in Writer, on each line Voiceover says:
>
> Reduced, edit text, insertion point at the beginning of the text.
>
> This is extremely annoying. How can I turn this off?
> I don't have this problem in Microsoft Word or Pages.

Without macOS at hand to test/analyze this, it's hard to give a good answer.

Does it behave like that also when you have a paragraph that spans over 
multiple lines of text and you just move from the first line of that 
paragraph to the next line? Or is that just the case when you switch 
between different paragraphs?

It's unclear to me what the "reduced" in the VoiceOver announcement is 
for, but "edit text" is likely the role of the paragraph object and 
"insertion point at the beginning of the text" apparently explains that 
the cursor is at the beginning of the paragraph or line.

What happens if you don't have the cursor/caret at the beginning of the 
line, but e.g. move it one character to the right first before you move 
it upwards/downwards?

From a quick glance, there's no "paragraph" role in the NSAccessibility 
API that is used on macOS, so we are currently using the "text area" 
(NSAccessibilityTextAreaRole) role for paragraphs on macOS [1], which 
might be related to the way that VoiceOver announces this.

The Core API Accessibility Mappings 1.2 specification suggests to map 
(ARIA) paragraph to AXGroup/NSAccessibilityGroupRole [2]. That might be 
something worth trying on the development side, depending also on what 
other applications like Word or Pages do.

I'll keep that in mind as something to look into again once I have 
access to macOS.

Regards,
Michael




[1] 
"https://git.libreoffice.org/core/+/926826e40955175a8c115472e0d2f6c7f2f1a453/vcl/osx/a11yrolehelper.mm#88
[2] https://www.w3.org/TR/core-aam-1.2/#role-map-paragraph

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