[libreoffice-accessibility] RE: [libreoffice-documentation] changes for this mailing list

I don't expect this will change, but I find the reasoning that appears to be behind it rather 
interesting.

So, let me see if I understand this.  So that you and other TDF Members can now have 
libreoffice.org e-mail addresses (which will be forwarded to whatever actual e-mail services hold 
and deliver mail as each individual member arranges) like floeff@libreoffice.org, all the rest of 
us have to learn how to send mail to mailing-list-name@global.libreoffice.org when we have 
struggled already to learn how to work with list mailing-list-name@libreoffice.org, 
mailing-list-name+help@libreoffice.org, etc.   

And this irreversible change may or may not be disruptive in unexpected ways, but you'll do your 
best because it is being done by throwing a switch on the universe and Mother Nature can be 
petulant about such things (not to mention the opportunity it affords for Puck, Kokopelli, and Loki 
to have a little fun with the foolish humans).  

So does this mean that the archives will also change their URLs and any linking we have done to 
existing list posts will be broken?  (I mention this as one place where the law of unintended 
consequences may step in.  Will all of the threads be broken too?)  Of course, there is already 
archive.libreoffice.org for those.  Do they stay that way?

Additional curiosities.  Is there some system that has global.libreoffice.org be preferable to 
lists.libreoffice.org ?   Or is this some limitation of how Heinlein Support is working their 
magic?  Maybe what you really want is honorifics, so you can be floeff@founders.libreoffice.org or 
floeff@members.libreoffice.org and floeff@staff.libreoffice.org (you can go crazy with this, though 
I recommend against floeff@supremeleader.libreoffice.org ) since you're going to have to redo your 
stationery and business cards anyhow?

Now, I do like affinity forwardings.  After all, I get to be dennis.hamilton@acm.org (a forwarding) 
and also orcmid@sourceforge.net and even orcmid@google.com (set up as a forwarding too) and, once 
upon a time, orcmid@computer.org.   I may even have Facebook and Linked-in affinities, though I 
haven't bothered to check.   I am just looking at the system-engineering aspects of this mid-course 
correction and how it appears to disrupt the many for the benefit of a few.  Odd, that, considering 
what it is we are out to accomplish and promote and who we say we are?

Playfully,

 - Dennis

PS: I do happen to filter on what appears in the "To" of incoming mail.  But it is relatively easy 
to change those rules since I also use a white-list spam system and the new "To" and perhaps "from" 
e-mail addresses will go to spam until I do something about them.

-----Original Message-----
From: Florian Effenberger [mailto:floeff@documentfoundation.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 01:25
To: accessibility@libreoffice.org; design@libreoffice.org; documentation@libreoffice.org; 
l10n@libreoffice.org; marketing@libreoffice.org; projects@libreoffice.org; users@libreoffice.org; 
website@libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] changes for this mailing list

Hello everyone,

as part of our membership process, we also would like to give @libreoffice.org e-mail forwarders to 
our approved members. Thanks to the folks from Heinlein Support in Berlin, who offered to take care 
of the mail forwarding and to program a web tool to enable users to configure the forwarding!

In order to be able to use two different mail servers -- one for mailing lists, and one for the 
mail forwarders -- we have to change the addresses of a few mailing lists.

In a nutshell: All lists currently known as @libreoffice.org will in the future be known as 
@global.libreoffice.org

[ ... ]

You do *not* have to un- or resubscribe from any lists, as the list of all recipients will be 
automatically transferred to the new addresses. 
The subject prefix, like [libreoffice-website], will also stay the *same*. What *will* change is 
the address you have to send e-mails to, and the headers like List-Post and List-ID. So, in case 
you filter your e-mails based on the headers, you *do* need to act. This is most likely the case if 
you use a local mail client like Thunderbird. Webmail services like Google Mail usually do *not* 
make use of these headers.

The change will be effective during the day of

        Thursday, June 9th

I will send a follow-up e-mail when the addresses have changed. 
Immediately after that, assume the old addresses will stop working. I will try to set them as 
aliases for a few days, but I cannot guarantee it will work out.

However, *no* e-mail will be lost -- in case there is no alias in place, you will receive a bounce 
message and can re-send the mail again.

Sorry for these inconveniences, but they will help us in providing e-mail forwarders for our 
members.

In case of questions, feel free to ask me directly, or on the website@ mailing list.

Florian

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