Re: Brazilian domains (was: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] PR translations)

[Helmar <tucuna@gmail.com>]

Hi Florian....

I agree with all of your statements... I´m the one who started all this
changes by questioning the way the things were being conducted around here.
I wont talk for the Brazilian Comunity.... I have no knowledge to do it. I
neither am an IT professional. I´m a HR Manager.... But if you want to
understand step by step what happened I sugest you talk to Claudio Filho.

We wish that all of us think as one, act as one and respect to each other in
its rights and duties.
There is only one reason why we are here... the make of LibreOffice a good
solution for those who believes in a free world made by people like you and
me...

Regards
*Helmar Fernandes
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Maverick Meerkat 10.10
www.penguim.net/pocosdecaldas



On 9 May 2011 13:56, Florian Effenberger <floeff@documentfoundation.org>wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I'd like to add a few thoughts of mine to this thread.
>
> I am very sorry to hear what happened and still is happening in Brazil. To
> me, as for the whole Steering Committee, it has always been very important
> to be not on one side. It is sad for me to see that there seem to be two
> groups and lots of changes, and I have worked with trust, respect and joy
> with members of both groups, and I would like to do so in the future as
> well. As Brazil is far away, and I don't know the situation very well, I
> always tried to stay out of the line of fire, which I hope is
> understandable.
>
> Sorry if this now sounds rather harsh, but my take is:
>
> Domain names with LibreOffice or The Document Foundation should be under
> control of The Document Foundation, and the official mailing lists for each
> project have to be the ones we offer.
>
> Let me explain why: It is not about controlling things or not allowing
> others to be active. In contrast, we would like to have people active on
> their own, without asking us for permission. Our approach is open,
> meritocratic and transparent. However, we all have learned from the past
> that it can happen too quick that projects and groups go their own way, and
> confusion is created on who is talking on behalf of whom. Diversity can be a
> gift, but it can also be a high risk if we are too diverse.
>
> Hosting a website under the LibreOffice or TDF domain name with own content
> soon will create the idea that this content is official. Even more, it will
> spread knowledge and tools, which in the end can have bad consequences for
> us.
>
> Don't get the impression that we do want to dictate what you have to use. I
> know that the situation and requirements are different from country to
> country, and that some users are more comfortable with this tool, others
> with other tools. We try hard to provide something everyone can benefit
> from, and I invite you to raise concerns, questions and wishes to our public
> mailing lists.
>
> We are all TDF, so there is no one dictating things. Sure, sometimes
> there's one in charge who has to "wear a hat" and have the final say, and
> there is also the Steering Committee if in doubt, but that's no different to
> any well-developed open source community.
>
> For the current situation, to me it is rather clear:
> Please connect the TDF and LibO domain names in Brazil to our nameservers,
> so we can point them to our infrastructure. If there are legal concerns of
> being the domain holder, but having services connected to our servers,
> please let me know -- there is a legally working way to transfer the domain
> names to the German association and later on to the Foundation when it
> exists. I've already discussed that with our provider, who provides a
> trustee service in Brazil if needed.
>
> What I neither can understand nor accept is that a website is built in
> parallel, e-mail addresses are being handed out, and separate mailing lists
> are created. I guess I repeat myself by saying that I want all of us to work
> on one thing, united, speaking with one voice. Too much diversity and
> "parallel universes" do not help, they do harm. They harm a lot.
>
> Of course I respect the work that the Brazilian community has done the past
> years, but it can be no argument that you now need the LibreOffice domain
> name for connecting your servers, otherwise data from five years would be
> lost. How long has the LibreOffice name been existing? Roughly seven months,
> so this is no argument. I am happy to provide you a DNS alias so you have a
> domain name to connect your machine to, in case you don't have any other
> domain name available -- but the main website really needs to point to the
> TDF infrastructure.
>
> pt-br.libreoffice.org is our Brazilian website, and contributors are
> welcome. I am also more than happy to provide a link to previous content
> from there if this is suitable. But, please, do not build up your parallel
> universe with own sites, tools, addresses and mailing lists.
>
> Especially in these times, working united, collaborating as a team,
> exchanging thoughts as friends, is more important than ever.
>
> I beg your trust, and ask you to cooperate with us in this matter. We are
> flexible in tools and sites, and we can improve things when improvements are
> needed, but TDF has been created to have all assets in one hand,
> independent, safe, stable and secure.
>
> Joining us in this mission is, I hope, also to upmost interest for you.
>
> Florian
>
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