Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Recruiting translators/editors

One of Pootle shortcomings in my experience is lack of changes tracking.

I don't see Pootle as techi tool. If you know how to log into facebook 
and post comment, you know how to translate on Pootle.
But problem is, new people don't know what they did good and what wasn't 
good.

For example, when you get new team member, you don't give him write 
permission, only permission to suggest.
He makes 50 string suggestions, and I go trough all of them accepting, 
refusing and editing mistakes.
But when I'm done, he can't possibly know what I accepted or corrected.

My first translation was Mozilla Thunderbird, and my mentor was long 
time Firefox translator.
HG was terrible, terrible tool for translating, but one of it strong 
points was change tracking.
I learned what I did wrong and how to improve my translations from that 
same change tracking system.
Sometime I even corrected mentor, everyone makes mistakes. :)

I miss something like that in Pootle, to provide new people way to see 
their mistakes and improve their skills with that.

Best regards,
Mihovil

2.9.2014 u 10:26, Tom Davies je napisao/la:
> Hi :)
> 2 separate issues;
>
> 1.
> Wrt recruiting new people there is a constant source of potential new 
> people on the various Users Support mailing lists.
>
> Most have arrived there to get answers to 1 or 2 questions and were 
> toooo focused and/or confused to notice any of "the other stuff" that 
> goes on, such as different mailing-lists for different teams.  Often 
> people on those mailing lists have no idea how to get involved.  They 
> are often surprised to learn that they can join other teams just as 
> 'easily' as they joined the Users Support mailing list and that the 
> instructions on how to do so were right at the beginning of their trek 
> to join the Users Support mailing lists.
>
> I think mentioning, about once per month (or maybe fortnightly but not 
> too often)) the L10n mailing list and maybe your specific language 
> mailing lists on your User Support mailing-lists might attract some 
> good people.
>
>
> 2.
> As far as native English speakers go, the people in their current 
> Documentation Team's mailing list are not very technically minded and 
> had a big struggle trying to understand how to edit wiki's.  Anything 
> more complex, even Pootle, would be a major blocker for them.  They 
> all use ODFAuthors.  So, anyone new only gets help as long as they are 
> trying to use ODFAuthors too.
>
> I try to help people understand how to do wiki-editing but i am a 
> hugely unpopular maverick there.  People generally don't join these 
> teams to instantly find themselves embroiled in a fight = they just 
> want to get on with doing something useful.  So new people joining 
> their team either also avoid me and wiki-editing or drop-out.  The 
> English Faq has been mostly done by Sophie and Alex (who seem to be in 
> all teams and have tons of energy) or by people who are nothing to do 
> with the English Docs Team.  The English-speakers Documentation Team 
> can only cope with doing the Published Guides.
>
>
> So,
> 1.  I think you might be able to recruit more people from the User 
> Support mailing lists but don't spam them with adverts and requests 
> too much or too often!  There are other places such as social media 
> and all the usual good places to market stuff but the User Support 
> mailing lists are an extra place that might be fruitful.
>
> 2.  If you want native English speakers then you might have to think 
> how to attract people who are not already in the English-speakers 
> Documentation Team.
>
> Regards from
> Tom :)


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