Re: [libreoffice-l10n] QA and Native language communities

Hi Valter,
On 22/08/2012 14:59, Valter Mura wrote:
> 2012/8/11 Sophie Gautier<gautier.sophie@gmail.com>
>
> > Hi Valter, all,
> >
> > I'm opening a new thread reflecting better (I hope :) the discussion.
>
> Hi Sophie,
>
> sorry for the delay.

You're welcome and thanks for your feedback
> > [...]
> >
> > > Ok, I used Litmus once and this is my point of view.
> > >
> > > - I think we need a (monthly) reminder and a QA mailing list to which
> > > forward / send opinions and tests (I remember OpenOffice had)
> >
> > Would you agree to use the projects@ list? There is actually a QA list
> > but I think that it would be better to stay focused on the manual and l10n
> > tests on a separate list. But well, this is my opinion, I don't know what
> > others think about it?
> I agree. Either projects@ or qa@ list is good, perhaps better with
> libreoffice domain and not freedesktop. Maybe somebody may want, or it is
> necessary to have, a local mailing list (something like qa-xx@, xx=language
> code), in this case more admins are needed :) to follow the list

We already have language lists on the language subsites, it's possible 
to have them along with the users@xx.libreoffice.org, etc, like 
qa@xx.libreoffice.org.
> > > - A page on the wiki is also necessary, in order to facilitate
> > > registration / access / login to the test system
> >
> > There is a page here:
> > http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/Litmus<http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Litmus>
> > and for the user
> > http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/Litmus/**Litmus_User_Guide<http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Litmus/Litmus_User_Guide>
> > What do you think is missing/should be improved to be more welcome or
> > understandable?
> No, the only thing to do is to localize the page and I'll ask on our list
> to do so. Maybe we can move/clone these litmus pages inside the Libreoffice
> site (well visible in the QA section)
May be you can open a new QA part on http://it.libreoffice.org/ and try 
to advertise QA from here?
> > > - it is also very important to "localize" the test system, if not
> > > already yet, to let local non-English users perform correctly the test
> >
> > yes, this is a very important point to my eyes too. Litmus is old and not
> > maintained anymore so we have investigated (well I didn't follow what
> > happened in fact) another tool named MozTrap which is currently developed
> > by the Mozilla foundation for their own QA. See here for some explanations :
> > https://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/QA/**Testing/Regression_Tests#Full_*
> > *Regression_Test<https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Testing/Regression_Tests#Full_Regression_Test>
> I gave a look to MozTrap and seems to be a valid alternative. Same story:
> everything must be localized, both app and test case. For test case
> translations, I think there will be no problems to upload everything in
> Pootle and make it part of the translation process. After having made the
> first translation effort, the other ones should be easier.

So for the moment the localization is not possible for Moztrap UI and 
will not be for some time. Yifan is working on a solution that will 
allow us to have the test localized inside the tool with a good 
presentation for the testers. I didn't test it yet but will do it 
through the week end.

Anyone interested in testing Moztrap should join, provide some tests in 
his language and give his feedback on the process. The more we are the 
better it will be for all of us. Please post on the QA@ or the Project@ 
list if you want to participate (the 'you' means yourself or some 
contributors of your language community), I'll monitor the list and will 
give my help where I can.
> > > - Wiki shoukd be localized
> >
> > yes, the purpose is to have a complete environment in our own language
> > that will help new comers to feel at home and those able to mentors them
> > too.
> >
> > > - QA mail list is very important to give it the importance it needs
> > > (till now it seems to have been considered a second-order item of the
> > > project, if I can say so), and to collect people for the purpose.
> > As you see since the beginning of this discussion, the difficulty I meet
> > is to be able to speak and go further with those who are in contact with
> > potential contributors in the language communities. I started on this list
> > but wanted also to ask on the website list for webmasters help.
>
> Well, localization leaders/main contributors already read this list... :)

yes :)
> > @all: if you have any idea on how we could organize a communication
> > directed to those contributors, please don't hesitate to give me your
> > feedback and your ideas.
> One thing we could do is, if you prepare a reminder message in English, we
> can translate it so that you can append translations and send it the local
> lists. A short reminder message, I mean, something like:
>
> ******
> LibreOffice version XXXX is approaching, and needs your important help.
>
> For those people interested in Quality Assurance and Test Case
> contribution, please
> download the latest RC version here: [address], install it, then
>
> - login and perform Test Case in Litmus/MozTrap: [address]
>
> Thank you for help the community!
> *******

ok, no problem for sending the reminder on a regular base
> A little incentive for the (best?) contributors could be some gadget: a
> branded pen, t-shirt, mug, sticks or something like that.

that's a very good idea too
> Another way to involve people could be the creation of LoCo Teams, as
> Ubuntu does: http://loco.ubuntu.com/

Well this is what we tried to start with the subsites, the 
@xx.libreoffice.org lists and the projects@list for the global 
communication with the local communities.
But as you see, for the moment, it's very difficult to get feedback from 
these communities and establish a good communication, adapted workflows, 
global strategies, etc... together. But I know it takes time to build 
all that :)

Kind regards
Sophie

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