Re: [libreoffice-design] "Document Saved" indicator

[Christoph Noack <christoph@dogmatux.com>]

Hi Mirek, all!

Am Donnerstag, den 31.05.2012, 20:29 +0200 schrieb Mirek M.:
> 2012/5/31 Christoph Noack <christoph@dogmatux.com>
> > Am Mittwoch, den 30.05.2012, 16:42 +0200 schrieb Alexander Wilms:
> > > actually, the save icon in the top toolbar should be enough, don't you
> > > think? It's greyed out if there's nothing to save and makes the
> > > indicator superfluous.
> >
> > Well, that was the case some versions ago - then the current behavior
> > (save icon is always active) has been introduced. Reason: There has been
> > customer feedback targeted at the Sun OOo UX Team that people wish to
> > press that button at any time - just to be sure that the document is
> > really saved. So here its not about real logic, but about people to feel
> > "safe".
> 
> This is only a setting, and it's disabled by default (at least on my
> machine).

Ah, didn't know that. Thanks!

Do you know why this is a setting at all? Do we alter the behavior
dependent on the platform?

> Out of interest, could you point me to the feedback you mentioned?

Nope, sorry. It was directly targeted at the OOo UX team (maybe even
part of their usability studies). I had some private conversations where
they mentioned it (if I remember well enough).

> > So, finally, if there is a need to further cleanup the status bar, then
> > I'd propose to go with "(unsaved)" instead of the asterisk for the title
> > bar. Example for unsaved changes:
> > Strategy Document (unsaved) - LibreOffice Writer
> 
> Fine with me, as long as it only happens if the "allow to save document
> even when the document is not modified" setting is on.

Here I don't fully understand your rationale - I'd go for consistency
similar to the document symbol in the status bar (always there).

> > Of course there are plenty of alternatives - introducing stuff like a
> > proxy icons (similar to Mac OS X), or extending the "Save Icon" by an
> > own indicator. Or ...
>
> To be honest, I feel like this is too much complication to satisfy a very
> small fraction of the userbase, at a cost to the general userbase. Every
> other application I know disables "Save" when the file is saved, and
> there's not any consumer backlash there.

Well, I have no strong opinion here - especially if anybody comes up
with a decent solution ;-) The point is: adding an asterisk doesn't mean
much, the string "(unsaved)" eats some space and also misses the locus
of attention of the user, ...

Cheers,
Christoph


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