Re: [libreoffice-design] Rework of the "Templates and documents" dialogue

["Mirek M." <mazelm@gmail.com>]

Hi Alex,

2012/3/9 Alexander Wilms <alexander.wilms@zoho.com>

> Hi Mirek,
>
> I am not sure if the same UI could be used for touch interfaces and mouse
> interaction.
>

Given that both Windows and Gnome, and maybe Android, plan to be usable
with both, it's a goal we should have.

>
> How would you be able to display the template information when using
> single click? Maybe the Details drop-down should simply be hidden when one
> is using a touch device.
>

Details could be shown:
* On hover -- within a pane docked to the bottom, a floating tooltip, as a
transparent overlay over the thumbnail, or triggered by a small "i" icon
that would appear on hover over a thumbnail.
* On selection (under the selection mode).

No need for double-click.

>
> I think I'll merge the edit mode with what you descibed for deleting them.
>

I'd still prefer if you only had a selection mode. Gnome has put quite a
lot of thought into the Selection mode -- see the "Selections and
Contextual Actions" section of
http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/2012/02/10/a-new-approach-to-gnome-application-design,
and it's great.

If you have to have an edit mode, though, please use the standard pencil
icon.

>
> Also, the 'Show categories' checkbox is only shown when in edit mode. I
> don't know how often that wpould be used, so it might be a better choice to
> put that option in the toolbar, as you said.
>
> Regarding the management of the categories: This would be done in the edit
> mode as well, I just hadn't it added to the mock-up yet. I'll do so now.
>
> I have another question: How should favorites and recently used templates
> be managed?
>
> Have another tab in the notebook widget like this:
>
> ------------------------------**------------------------------**
> ------------
>  []  []  []  []
> ------------------------------**------------------------------**
> ------------
>
>           [Favorites | Text | Slideshow | spreadsheet]
>
> Recents ------------------------------**--------------
>
> Template1  Template2  Template3
>

Frankly, I wouldn't use a separate tab, simply because a user looking for
his favorite slideshow template won't want to use a tab where document,
spreadsheet, and slideshow templates are mixed together. Instead, I would
have a "Favorites" and a "Recent" category for each filetype, each spanning
a single row.

>
>
> Am 09.03.2012 00:18, schrieb Mirek M.:
>
>  Hi again Alex,
>> Is the new proposal with the edit mode single-click to open or still
>> double-click? Judging by the way the "Details" drop-down works, I'd still
>> say double-click, but I'm not certain.
>>
>> Here's what I'd suggest. Since 95% of the time, the user will use the
>> dialog to pick a template, let's use single-click to open a template.
>> Let's
>> have a selection mode with which the user could select and move files.
>> This
>> mode would trigger a detail pane at the bottom, featuring information
>> about
>> the selected template. Upon selection, a "Trash" button would appear in
>> the
>> toolbar, letting the user delete the selected template(s). (Single-click
>> to
>> delete a template in the edit mode is quite risky -- it would be very easy
>> to accidentally delete a template.)
>>
>> Instead of having a "Show categories" checkbox at the bottom of the
>> dialog,
>> there should be a "Show categories" in the dialog's toolbar, for
>> consistency and simplicity.
>>
>> Lastly, template categories should be managed inside the Template dialog,
>> not from Options (it's bloated enough :) ). How about having an options
>> button (with a gear icon, I presume) next to every category heading, which
>> would trigger a menu including options to rename or delete the category
>> (deleting the category would simply move its templates to the
>> "Uncategorized" category). There could be an "Add category" button at the
>> bottom of the template grid.
>>
>> 2012/3/3 Mirek M.<mazelm@gmail.com>
>>
>>  Hi Alex,
>>> 2012/3/1 Alexander Wilms<alexander.wilms@zoho.com**>
>>>
>>>  Hi Mirek,
>>>>
>>>> sorry that it took so long to reply.
>>>>
>>>> Regarding the color schemes: I don't know how exactly that works, but
>>>> Christoph mentiones them in the commented Wiki pages he sent me. I guess
>>>> one can import an xml that contains the information that is displayed in
>>>> the 'formatting' window.
>>>>
>>>> The claud button does indeed pull templates from the online repository.
>>>>
>>>> I think it would be better to keep the Help button in the bottom row
>>>> since this is how it works in every other dialogue in LO. I think VCL
>>>> even
>>>> arranges those buttons to fit the standard of each OS.
>>>>
>>>>  No other dialog in LibO has its own toolbar. LibreOffice itself sports
>>> a
>>> help icon in the toolbar. Besides, it´s quite irregular for modern
>>> applications to feature "Help" among its bottom choice of buttons, and
>>> it´s
>>> disorienting for users. The bottom list of buttons should include only
>>> buttons that either confirm or cancel the action.
>>>
>>>  In my opinion, the single click to select is a bit complicated, at least
>>>> on the desktop. E.g. the details are only shown if a certain template is
>>>> selected. But such behaviour might be implemented and be enabled
>>>> depending
>>>> whether LO runs on a PC or a tablet.
>>>>
>>>>  A lot of new computers are going to be hybrids, built for both touch
>>> and
>>> mouse+keyboard input.
>>> Double-click has proven to be confusing to new users, which is why mobile
>>> operating systems (including Android and Windows 8 Metro UI) don´t use
>>> it,
>>> why Gnome is moving away from it, and why KDE´s Dophin and Google Docs
>>> use
>>> single-click for opening files.
>>>
>>> It´s just going to be easier if we forgo the double-click and implement
>>> single-click behavior that would work for both touch and mouse+keyboard
>>> input.
>>>
>>>  Kind Regards
>>>>
>>>> Alex
>>>>
>>>>

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