Re: [libreoffice-design] All at once?

[Andrew Pullins <android2772@gmail.com>]

Hi,

Not a bad thing imho, but rather not materially doable. However if you
> found oil in your garden and you can pay a hundred of devs, let us
> know :-)


Ok will do ;)

If we could? If I could I'd be pooping butterflies, but it  turns out I
> can't. Again, let's focus on what we can do, not what we could do if...


Ooook : )


> >  was M$ Office changing there UI to their new ribbon UI
> > that big a deal. people are going to have to get used to it one way or
> > another. whether they get it one peace at a time like most FOSS people
> > will,


> Sorry, what does this even mean?


Micro$oft Office changed their UI from pretty much what we have now to
their current ribbon UI all at once... well from 2003 to 2007, 4 years, so
not all at once but to the user it was all at once. it was something they
just had to get used to.

So, that is something *everyone* (even me!) agrees with. When we say "we
> can't" it does not mean we don't want to. It means we can't. The
> LibreOffice code is not just very  big, it is also aging  and very
> complex. You can talk about how good it will be in the 4.0, but the
> truth is, nobody knows how it will be. If you change one piece of code
> it tends to affect twenty different other pieces of code, and therefore
> that's what makes it so complex. Besides that, while there are many
> developers out there, we don't have enough of them to take 10 million
> lines of code and turn that into something better all at once.


I understand, its big and I understand that changing one part messes with
everything else. damn 10 million lines of code.  I know that we can't do
this, was just wondering why people seemed so agents it. as if it was a bad
thing.

- write UI specifications
> - make sure there are palatable for inclusion (don't write spec for a
> spaceship)
> - make sure these UI specifications are for the most part implementable
> within the existing UI (no complete rewrite) as it would mean a much
> bigger code replacement than what we are able to do.


ok

I don't doubt this, Andrew. I thus have a proposal for you: let's take
> the Citrus  menu bar. Can you see how it could be implemented in the
> existing UI? Perhaps this could be a workable starting point?


yes I do see how this could be implemented. one we already have the ability
to hide/change menu items already. two we also have code
that recognizes what part of the document we are in (e.g. the floatbar,
when in a table a floatbar appears.) we could take this bit of code
that recognizes that your in a table and make it so that when you are in
one that they menus would change, as well as the contextual tool bar. I
would write the sepcs needed but I don't know what it needs, I will try to
make something soon on this. I have been wanting to do this for some time,
just don't have the time.

Cheers
Andrew.

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