RE: Re : [libreoffice-accessibility] Re: LO and Mac

Tom and others,
Here are some Web sites which specialize in shortcut key lists.
www.keyxl.com<http://www.keyxl.com>
www.allhotkeys.com<http://www.allhotkeys.com>
www.shortcutworld.com<http://www.shortcutworld.com>



From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomcecf@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 4:04 AM
To: David Goldfield
Cc: accessibility@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: Re : [libreoffice-accessibility] Re: LO and Mac

Hi :)
Thanks :))
I didn't know about Alt being a way to get into or out of menus/ribbon-bar.  On Ubuntu it brings up 
the "HUD" which allows people to type in what they want to do, instead of having to search through 
menus.  I had forgotten the Alt F4 for closing a window/console.  I have often used Ctrl w to close 
a document/tab but keep the main window open = usually most useful in a web-browser but still 
useful in other apps sometimes.
I think even just knowing a few greatly helps people, even fully sighted users gain a lot by using 
them.

Errr, i just found this ZdNet article
http://www.zdnet.com/article/intel-stephen-hawking-aim-to-spur-assistive-technology-development/
I think getting a celebrity actively promoting assistive technologies might be a help.  Stephen 
Hawkings seems to have quite a reputation for being a curious mix of friendly but demanding and 
seems good at breaking down barriers.  There are a couple of things that worry me.  IBM's 
involvement suggests it's going to be entirely proprietary and even though there is a suggestion of 
it being free now it makes me wonder how long it would stay that way.  On the other hand IBM have 
done some good for OpenSource too so i'm not sure.

Regards from
Tom :)


On 3 December 2014 at 13:41, David Goldfield <dgoldfie@asb.org<mailto:dgoldfie@asb.org>> wrote:
Hi.
I've been a screen reader user since 1991 when I started out with DOS 3.X and so I'd be happy to 
answer any questions you might have about this topic.

When you are dependent on using a screen reader, it helps if you can memorize shortcut keys. The 
more keys you can memorize, the more efficient you will likely be with computer navigation. For 
people who just don't do well in memorizing shortcut keys, teaching them how to use a program's 
menu bar or ribbon UI can be of great help, as this presents a simple way of getting to all of the 
commands contained within a given program. Many shortcut keys are quite intuitive and easy to 
remember: ctrl-S for save, ctrl-O for open, ctrl-P for print, etc. The alt key places focus in or 
out of the menu/ribbons and alt-f4, at least in Windows, is used to close the currently active 
window or, in many cases, running app.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomcecf@gmail.com<mailto:tomcecf@gmail.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 6:15 AM
To: MENGUAL Jean-Philippe
Cc: Alex Thurgood; Accessibility@global.libreoffice.org<mailto:Accessibility@global.libreoffice.org>
Subject: Re: Re : [libreoffice-accessibility] Re: LO and Mac

Hi :)
I am mildly curious about how people work with screen-readers when they are completely dependant on 
them.

I can often work without a mouse by using some keyboard short-cuts and using tab to go through 
menus.  To some extent i've memorised some of 'the' keyboard (thanks to Mavis Beacon and other 
touch-typing courses) so i could probably find the tab key without needing to see it but a lot of 
times i would be completely stuck

I was hoping that being on this mailing list might reveal some tricks that a lot of people use but 
mostly it's been really technical stuff here.  No-one here seems to need or ask questions about 
just workflow or for hints and tips, yet.  Maybe that will change once LO is easier to set-up for 
accessibility, ie once java dependence is no longer an issue.

I've been quite glad to see the highly technical answers too, of course but it's all just beyond 
me.  Luckily i've not had to set-up a system for anyone needing it but i keep having little 
trial-runs at it.  One day i should make a serious attempt and maybe then things will become a lot 
clearer.
Regards from
Tom :)



On 3 December 2014 at 09:38, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe 
<mengualjeanphi@free.fr<mailto:mengualjeanphi@free.fr>>
wrote:

> Hi.
>
> Thanks for this info. Actually I wonder how LO behaves with "Voiceover",
> that is, is it possible to browse between toolbars, in the menus, the
> dialogs, etc. For example, is it easy to handle styles and characters
> formatting?
>
> The question is asked to me by a blind user to do tests. I am aware of
> the lack of resource for this architecture, but I wonder if someone
> tested anyway;
>
> Regards
>
> ----- Alex Thurgood <alex.thurgood@gmail.com<mailto:alex.thurgood@gmail.com>> a écrit :
> > Le 03/12/2014 00:52, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe a écrit :
> >
> > Hi Jean-Philippe
> >
> >
> > > Does someone is LibreOffice is accessible with VoiceOver as 4.3.4?
> >
> > Accessible in which way ?
> >
> > My recent testing of VoiceOver on OSX 10.10.1 and LO 4334 and master
> > build 4.5.0 alpha shows that it mostly works for announcing text
> > paragraphs from a pre-existing Writer document and using keyboard
> > commands to jump from one text block to another.
> >
> > I haven't tested speech input, if that is what you are asking about.
> > There is an open, as yet unconfirmed, bug report that speech input
> > stopped working with LO 4.3.
> >
> > The simple fact of the matter is that there are very few Mac QA
> > testers, and even fewer that use or need VoiceOver, one of the
> > reasons being that assistive technology tools tended to cause LO to
> > crash in previous versions, and thus general advice was to deactivate them when using LO.
> >
> >
> > Alex

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